2016 Majors

CharlieC":1km8iqvw said:
And this is something that needs looked at........ That left 3 drivers out of the chance for the super sweep title before getting to the runoffs. .
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Charlie - Isn't that the way the Super Sweep works? If you have to win the National Points total as part of the Sweep, then there will only be one driver per class who has a chance to win going into the Runoffs. Right? Or am I missing something?
 
Curtis,

to be fair the lack of interest in conf or divisional championships pre-dates the majors. this was something we struggled with while I was on the board. we were constantly looking for ways to make the divisional championships mean more so that more people would focus on them. but whatever we did we kept seeing erosion. my honest opinion is that if u change the rules maybe a handful of people would take notice and change their plans.

as someone who was there when it went down I can tell you the main rational for not allowing out of conf points. when we basically cut the number of national race in half with the majors program, we had to give something back to the divisions to make up for the decreased races. what many requested was that we make their in-conf races more important by not allowing the out of conf points. as a driver I'm not crazy about it but I understood their rational.

now the result after a couple years is easy to have predicted. there is no increase in interest in conf championships and whether it has accelerated the decline of that interest is certainly open to debate. I think all this is symptomatic of the change of the club racing landscape that is seeing interest in downward glide slope. other than the runoffs (and it can be argued that's also in decline after seeing Daytona numbers!!) there seems to be less interest in dedicating a lot of time and resources to a season long championship anymore. its a real concern in the top level of scca racing. I think regional racing hasn't seen such a dramatic shift yet?
 
Ron Bartell":yd9bmg39 said:
CharlieC":yd9bmg39 said:
And this is something that needs looked at........ That left 3 drivers out of the chance for the super sweep title before getting to the runoffs. .
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Charlie - Isn't that the way the Super Sweep works? If you have to win the National Points total as part of the Sweep, then there will only be one driver per class who has a chance to win going into the Runoffs. Right? Or am I missing something?
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No, you have it correct, Ron. With the national points championship, they will never declare "co-champions" for that. If competitors are tied after they add up your "best seven finishes", which is the usual total accumulation of points method for national points, they then go to tie breakers of "total number of wins", followed by "total number of seconds", and so on until a sole winner is declared. In FP for 2015, Ken Kennard, Joe Huffaker, Eric Prill, and Charlie Campbell all scored a maximum number of points by having seven wins making up their "best seven finishes". That is not normal at all, but what happened. So then the tie-breakers began, which ended up crowning Ken Kennard as the 2015 FP National Points Champion, because he had the most wins on the season of the four guys. Now granted, he also ran the most number of races. I'm not going to call it a "participation trophy" though, because all four of those guys were more than deserving of that title (heck, had Joe not gotten a flat, the four of them along with me would've made up the top five at The Runoffs), but I can definitely see how the other guys feel a bit miffed because it left them not even having a chance at The Super Sweep award at The Runoffs. And any one of them could've won it. And have you seen what Mazda pays for a Super Sweep Award? :shock: Yeah, especially if I was Eric or Charlie, I'd be mad too to not at least get the chance.
 
I'm not mad about it. I was just thinking for me it looked like it became a participation award. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Ken at all, he deserved it. But it really did become a debate of some sort after Pittrace when it ended that way. Several people got out the rule book and read it. It really does need a rewrite it somewhat contradicts itself.
But I think I've got us off topic.
 
So last post....maybe

I get that we are a club and that the Divisions represent members and member interest beyond just driver competitors. Also that Club Racing has been becoming more of a Runoffs only club for decades.

However If the current exclusion of out of conference event points is not motivating anybody to travel to these more remote venues there is no reason to expect that allowing out of conference points would cause less attendance there. Worst case is there would be no effect at all. Best case is some minor increase in overall Majors participation so why not?
 
KISS, would be ; Majors counts double points. Regional counts single points , Get points anywhere. You qualify when you have 51% of the points of last years top half.
 
Don't know about you guy's, but Mazda pays $1750 for Conference Champ. So ya, I'm interested in that goal also. And in fact did an extra weekend to make sure I got it. So you LBC guys get on the phone with British Leyland and get them to step up :D .
 
Honda paid $750 for conference championships also. It has been a few years since MG paid any contingency.
The southeast only has 4 Majors in the division with 2 of them over 1000 miles from me so I would like it if you could count 1 or 2 out of conference races. For us, it would mean that we could run races after the middle of April.
 
I won the Mid States Conference last year and didn't get anything from Mazda. No one ran enough events in the Conference, they all went out of Conference to get there events in because they were closer than coming to Colorado.
 
mlewis":20djo7wf said:
what does mazda pay for a super sweep and are they interested in acquiring jaguar?? 8)
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Enough to make me think about running a Mazda.... :lol:
 
Mazda pays well. We ran the T4 RX8 at 1 Majors race and the Runoffs and it paid us 5000 in cash plus another 4000 in contingency. Of course, you have to do well.

The above is an example of why the Western conference schedule pains me. There is no incentive to try to win the Championship, because the 2500 in division and tow fund from Mazda wouldn't have offset the cost to do all that traveling, and the tracks (Fontana, Chinchilla) weren't any sort of a draw. Instead, we did the minimum number of races locally (Seattle, Portland) and flew the driver into the race at Michigan to get the final entry neded.

If the SCCA tow fund had been there, and paid out like last year, that would have been a different story. Instead of being incentivized to bring more racecars and more Runoffs entries, I got on Uship.com and found a couple of cars that needed shipping to pay my way to the Runoffs.

I don't think either the club or myself benefitted from that arrangement.
 
dhrmx5":23aibnny said:
Mazda pays well. We ran the T4 RX8 at 1 Majors race and the Runoffs and it paid us 5000 in cash plus another 4000 in contingency. Of course, you have to do well.

The above is an example of why the Western conference schedule pains me. There is no incentive to try to win the Championship, because the 2500 in division and tow fund from Mazda wouldn't have offset the cost to do all that traveling, and the tracks (Fontana, Chinchilla) weren't any sort of a draw. Instead, we did the minimum number of races locally (Seattle, Portland) and flew the driver into the race at Michigan to get the final entry neded.

If the SCCA tow fund had been there, and paid out like last year, that would have been a different story. Instead of being incentivized to bring more racecars and more Runoffs entries, I got on Uship.com and found a couple of cars that needed shipping to pay my way to the Runoffs.

I don't think either the club or myself benefitted from that arrangement.
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I thought you quit? :D :D
 
I did. I haven't driven in 2 years and quit the ST adhoc when my membership expired last year.

You may have noticed I am not fielding 5 cars anymore. Pratt and Lance still want to drive at the Runoffs so we do the minimum.
 
Protech Racing":32ew31h5 said:
KISS, would be ; Majors counts double points. Regional counts single points , Get points anywhere. You qualify when you have 51% of the points of last years top half.
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+ one on what Mike said. I like it.
 
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