2016 Majors

kruck":hv0yf1l9 said:
Ian Green":hv0yf1l9 said:
OMG Kevin! You had to drive your own rig?!?? :mrgreen:
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We put 6500 miles on that rig this year, of which I drove 3500 and Dad did 3000. I also did another 2350 miles in the truck, 870 miles in the car, and took four flights.

For five events.
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Sucks to not live in the WI, IL, IND, Ohio area, doesn't it? At least race wise.

I'd much rather live in Texas than in Illinois, lifestyle and government wise......
 
Does anybody else think it would be a good idea to allow a couple of out of conference Majors finishes to transfer in, and count, for your home conference points? This was common when we had Divisional Championships. Seems that only a very few will have the vacation time and money to run a full in conference season. And this means many will just run to qualify only. While better for me than most, the conference geography seems impossible. If I race any, after the two in conference Majors that are reasonably close, I will probably just go to the closest Majors events despite them being out of conference, or because nothing counts at that point, run vintage for the fun and track time.
 
I agree Curtis.

Having the Mid Ohio race not be shared with the NE Conference sucks (and for Poco NO ) ....

We're all going to be running that Mid Ohio Majors race. It would be nice if it counted toward the championship.

-Kyle
 
disquek":2wgea75j said:
I agree Curtis.

Having the Mid Ohio race not be shared with the NE Conference sucks (and for Poco NO ) ....

We're all going to be running that Mid Ohio Majors race. It would be nice if it counted toward the championship.

-Kyle
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Even worse, IMO, is that the Pitt Race event wasn't made dual-conference. It's literally on the boarder between the Northern and NE Conferences, and was a dual-conference event last year. That event is only ~2.5 hours from my shop and I've not got to run the full course yet, so I'd really like to do that one. (I'm planning on racing out of Ohio next year.) It's not a big deal to me personally since I probably won't run enough Northern events to contend for the Conference championship, but it still seems silly. I do remember that back with the Divisional Championships, you could count something like two out of division events, which was nice for those who chose to travel to a new/favorite track or a more premiere event.
 
kruck":1ket7mql said:
I do remember that back with the Divisional Championships, you could count something like two out of division events, which was nice for those who chose to travel to a new/favorite track or a more premiere event.
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Or for those who live near the border between two divisions.
 
Or not near any track with a Majors and on the border! Last year I raced in 3 conferences and thought about a race in fourth. Traveled almost 10,000 miles through 1/3 of the states in the country including Runoffs; drove all them myself. Went to more races (6 weekends) than normal because of new car but without that it would have still been 6-7k, which is normal for me. I pushed this point in the early years with Bruce Kramer and he was very sympathetic but said Board was against it. Peter?
 
Doug. Your post sort of illustrates what I was trying to draw attention too. Everybody is focused only on the Runoffs and Runoffs qualifying which is an easy 2 Majors anywhere. I think the conference championships could really mean something, be more hotly contested, and be better attended if it was actually possible for the average guy to run 4 or 5 and have a shot. How many Majors drivers faced with impossible geography just run 2 and then move on to other hobbies or race organizations instead of putting a full majors season together? How much of the average guys vacation and budget is being wasted on distant travels instead of actual racing?
 
Curtis, I have been for allowing the importation of points from out of division races since this majors deal started.

Shouldn't this club be interested in allowing it's competitors to have some choice in the racetracks they want to go to? I find it annoying that the Runoffs tracks are being scheduled with "bucket list" in mind, but we can't attend our idea of bucket list tracks and qualify at the same time.
 
Unless the rules change for 2016, I think you can run out of conference Majors and have them count towards your national ranking.

For instance, if you run and finish two in conference weekends. Then finish one out of conference weekend (2 races). You would need to finish in the top 50% of National points in class OR achieve greater than 50% 2015 national points in class, you are in.

So, I think you can run out of conference majors. In fact, I am counting on it.
 
I wish there was some clarification of these requirements for a Runoffs invitation. It used to be if you ran three Majors weekends you were in. Now you must run three weekends finishing three races, AND accrue points. In one case the points seem to have to be from your conference, but there are two other criteria that talk about National point totals, which could imply that out of conference points could count toward those totals.

I am planning on running four Majors weekends, three of which will be out of my normal conference. Should I declare that I am from a different conference just so I have a chance to be in the top ten in my class in my conference? Or if I can count all four weekends towards National or Nationwide point standings I should be in good shape.
 
Yes, out of division points count towards the Nationwide points, but do not count towards divisional championships.

We had an STU champion here in the Western division that won both the Majors championship and finished second in the nationwide points with out ever actually being competitive.

I guess perseverance and crowdfunding are now the order of the day in SCCA
 
dhrmx5":3nj6m392 said:
Yes, out of division points count towards the Nationwide points, but do not count towards divisional championships.

We had an STU champion here in the Western division that won both the Majors championship and finished second in the nationwide points with out ever actually being competitive.

I guess perseverance and crowdfunding are now the order of the day in SCCA
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Thanks. You mean out of conference points not out of division, right?
 
Yes, that is correct. Races from another conference will count towards your participation requirements, but not points towards conference championships.
 
dhrmx5":ibo9qh8p said:
We had an STU champion here in the Western division that won both the Majors championship and finished second in the nationwide points with out ever actually being competitive.

I guess perseverance and crowdfunding are now the order of the day in SCCA
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That's nothing new. Back in the early 2000's I lost several ITC and ITA Divisional Championships to guys who I lapped every time I actually raced against them, but they ran a lot more races than I did. When accruing of points has absolutely nothing to do with who you beat, or how many people you beat, then it's rarely not an award given to the person who participated the most.
 
"Should I declare that I am from a different conference just so I have a chance to be in the top ten in my class in my conference?"

you don't have to 'declare' a conference. you just accumulate points wherever you run. I was surprised to win the northern conf last season. I didn't have to declare anything . it just worked out.
 
mlewis":o0t6qlx1 said:
"Should I declare that I am from a different conference just so I have a chance to be in the top ten in my class in my conference?"

you don't have to 'declare' a conference. you just accumulate points wherever you run. I was surprised to win the northern conf last season. I didn't have to declare anything . it just worked out.
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This is my point Michael. Nobody was even running for or cared about the Conference championship. You accidentally won it, in part because nobody (including you) attended the full 4 weekends that counted (yes I know you would have likely won it even if they had :D ) Best case scenario would be several drivers running 6 weekends to count their best 4 but we are no where near that.

There are 5 conferences and 29 scored classes so 145 Conference class competitions nationally. 1/3 of these 145 did not have a single competitor run the full 4 weekends/8 races allowed to score. Over 1/2 of these 145 contest had one or fewer drivers running the full 8 races/4 weekends.

I don't think this is to many classes, or a lack of interest in racing, as much as I think it is just to damn much geography for many to take the Conference championship seriously. Using my conference as an example imagine if a Missourian like me could slip over to the East or North for a couple of Majors weekends closer than South TX and Colorado. Why can't competitors in Texas make a run into Florida for a weekend or two instead of 1800 miles round trip to St. Louis or 2000 miles to Colorado and back? Why can't our Colorado racers choose a West Coast weekend over a 2600 mile round trip to New Orleans?

Just throwing it out there but if a Majors Conference competitor could count 2 out of Conference events, after running a minimum of 2 in conference, toward their home Conference Championship, would participation and Conference level interest increase?
 
And this is something that needs looked at. Take the National points for FP this year. 4 drivers won their conference and won 7 races but they declared the winner by going farther out than 7 and that brought in the out of conference races. Which also made it become a participation trophy. That left 3 drivers out of the chance for the super sweep title before getting to the runoffs. As it turned out in the end it didn't matter. But....
 
What if you don't care about conference or divisional, but just want to qualify for the run-offs.

I once got a award at a Christmas party due to having entered more races than others, so somehow I ended up with enough points for the award. Wasn't something I was concerened about, or anything I was keeping track of.

Anyhow is there some minimum participation or points system, to just qualify for the run-offs?
 
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