2011 National schedules

Dean":3r63l8dj said:
tnord":3r63l8dj said:
keep in mind what's good for the division and the club as a whole, not just what's conveinent for neb region.

NO NEW RACES!! :p
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That's fine for you, if you are running IT in the MidDiv you get a double every race weekend. If your are running Nationals and trying to get 4 finishes to qualify for the Runoffs it's a different story. 6 races do not cut it for those of us that have a life and things like family and jobs that conflict with some race weekends. A lot of us don't have the time and money for a 600 mile tow to out of division races. I'd like to see a couple of double Nationals thrown in,hopefully on holiday weekends.
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are you really going to try and tell me that the regional guys get preferential treatment?

sorry if this isn't the way you approach things, but i think your statement about trying to get finishes is representative of a major problem. the whole going to races so you can get finishes, instead of you know....racing is not healthy for the club. this issue is exacerbated by the excessive number of events and resulting minimal number of entries. if you want to just go turn some laps on a track (what else would you call "race groups" of 10 cars across 10 classes?), you can go up to MAM and pay $80 for half of a test day and turn twice as many laps as you would on a race weekend.

Travis
-who will not be towing to hastings, but will probably tow to Road Atlanta for the ARRC to race a field of 20+. for the third time in three years.
 
Henry Ford said you can make 1/2 the people happy all the time and all the people 1/2 the time....

I know for sure that MPH wont have Nat this year....
Dean, we should have 1 single nat and a double national, I think.....
I race to have fun! most fun race I ever had I came in 5th, felt like a first....

Why wont you tow to MPH Travis? ya don't like kool-aid?
 
why won't i tow to hastings?

mostly second hand information as i've not been there, but....

1) car counts stink
2) same tow to hallett
3) mickey mouse track
4) chews up tires
and here's the one the schedulers need to pay attention to;
5) limited funds means i can only pick a couple races, HPT, Hallett, and MAM all are better tracks to drive, and have better attendance/more competition. after all, we're supposed to be racing
 
OK Micky Mouse track? Come on, Its a Blast when you get it right...
Hard on tires......yes....
Last race had 70+ cars a week after the runoffs...IT group had 30 cars......
I must say it has the best showers/restrooms ever seen at a track.....
The paddock is nicer than allot of race tracks....
I cant help with the funds....
 
why does DLB show 56 cars entered for that race then? even if it was 70, that's still *not good.*

whether one likes a track or not is personal preference, so if you like it that's fine. to me it's a smaller version of MAM, and from T8 to T14 MAM is a "mickey mouse" track.
 
tnord":2m3ieo3q said:
Dean":2m3ieo3q said:
tnord":2m3ieo3q said:
keep in mind NO NEW RACES!! :p
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That's fine for you, if you are running IT in the MidDiv you get a double every race weekend.
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are you really going to try and tell me that the regional guys get preferential treatment?


Travis
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Yes, It seems the regional guys get preferential treatment... looks like 18 vs. 6 to me. No double nationals... only 6 national events in midiv could force some of us out of division... kind of funny in a way, take your best 7 finishes, but we only scheduled 6 national events :doh: (compared to 10 Regionals, and 8 IT tours!) All because they don't want to hold an event without Mid-am/IT... Those mid-am numbers wouldn't look so good if you took out SM and others using mid-am as practice...
 
OK, I am to much of an optimist...56......

I haven't been back to HPT due too the walls and one weekend they took out your car and 2 VWs....
I really want to make it to High Plains in 2011!
 
Lael Cleland":bph2rfza said:
Ya take out IT tour you lose half the field.......economics!
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Then do a double national and double IT tour or a Rational with a IT group. Even better economics.
 
There was some talk of a double nat and letting IT run with a national group... Originally they (MVRG) made it sound like NO IT! Then Dick S cleared it up me and made me breath in a paper bag... I like the Rational!!!!
We would need Jimmy to take down the fence and make a larger paddock.... 150+ cars!
coughwith1/2inchasphaltcough
 
RonInSD":3kkrglep said:
Lael Cleland":3kkrglep said:
Ya take out IT tour you lose half the field.......economics!
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Then do a double national and double IT tour or a Rational with a IT group. Even better economics.
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I'm sure it's harder than it sounds, but from the outside looking in, no kidding... how hard could it be... combine another group if needed (have practice on friday?) and invite everyone... In the end we have a schedule with 18 regional events and 6 national events :cry: I should sell the FP, and convert the SM to ITA :ask: :ask: All the other divisions have double nationals, they must be a terrible idea...

I didn't crunch the numbers, but I really doubt IT tour is half of the entries of a national/IT tour race day. ITA is big, and Albin's VW and the volvo will do ITB, but the rest is fluff. 4 pages of national results vs. 2 pages of IT tour results. Same with mid-am after you sort out the "national practice" guys in SRF, SM, etc... those "mid-am" entries would be double national entries...

Now if we could just stop making new classes and get rid of the regional/national thing :mrgreen:

BTW, i think a nat at hastings would be fine...
 
i don't consider MORE weekends preferential treatment at all....i consider that IT guys subsidizing a poor national racing program.

6 national weekends sounds about right to me.....but they should all be doubles and all include IT and that should be about the extent of our season until the division gets more licensed drivers.

150 drivers x 4 weekends for an average season = 600 weekends of "pie" to divide up.

6 race weekends for an average of 100 cars, no more regions losing $7k on a weekend.

IT guys get stuck in the last group of the day at HPT and MAM every damn time if it's a R/N weekend and it f'ing sucks. especially in July/Aug. then there's the shorter races, shorter qualifying, less tech, and having to sit in our cars on grid for 30 min while they clean up the track from the last prod/formula car/GT group that blew up and dumped fluids all over the track. on top of that, it's a total punch to the gut when you look out there and see an 8 car group parading around the track earlier in the day when the IT group is consistently 20+.

maybe i'm missing something, but i sure don't feel that i as an IT driver get any preferential treatment at all.

but yes.....AMEN to doing away with the silly regional/national distinction.
 
Dayle Frame":3njd8rgy said:
Dave Patten":3njd8rgy said:
NEDiv Round Table is November 12-14 in Rochester, NY.
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Any scheduling news from this meeting last weekend? I know the NL event thats normally on Memorial Day has moved to late August.

Dayle
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NEDiv Nationals (as published at Mini-Con)

April 29 - May 1 - NHMS Single "Rational"
MAy 21 & 22 - Summit Point, Single
June 4 & 5 - NJ Motorsorts Park, Thunder, Single
July 8-10 - The Glen, Double National
July 30 & 31 - BeaveRun, Single
Aug 12-14 - Pocono, Double
Aug 27 & 28 - Nelson Ledges, Single

Note: NO Lime Rock National in 2011
 
DMVR and NR and MVRG are all meeting on Sunday (11/21/2010) to go over the race schedule in MiDiv.

Everything is up in the air. The Division ES does not wait any regions to add races to cover the lost GIR. GIR is still up in the air. There may be a buyer that will open it back up in the spring. There are still races on the MiDiv schedule for GIR.

From Tuesdays NR meeting, the racers are saying they would like 2 weekends at MAM and two weekends at MPH. But MAM as offered to cover any losses from the SSRR if they do 3 weekends at MAM. Right now no other regions in MiDiv have any schools on the schedule. There is talk of doing two single schools spread over two race weekends. And may be breaking up open and closed wheel school groups across weekends. The spring SSRR have always been a money loss for the regions but is a requirement to bring in new racers. I think they want to group the schools on the R/N weekends. The national weekends have always been a money maker for the regions. Regional only weekend tend to be a money loser.

There is talk of the Platte Valley area racers breaking away from NR and forming their own region to support races at MPH. NR of course is against this but it is a way for the racers in the area to be heard. I think active racers are being a lot more vocal about the schedule this year and taking more control the of the regional and race BoDs then years in the past.

I also have heard that some stewards are nit picking about MPH having the qualifications to hold a National event. I am unaware of any difference in qualifications for a track for National or Regional event.

Some of the things that have been said about MPH are:
* separation of grid lanes and paddock
* flow from track to (and location of) tech area,
* curbing issues (which have already been addressed)
* lack of workers and dependency of other regions workers (and like which event DOESN'T have that problem).

MPH is holding 3 NASA races along with a number of different LeMons and ChumpCar style events next year.

There are a number of options on the table so the schedule is very tentative right now. I hope to hear more after Sundays meeting.
 
Here is the 2011 MiDiv Schedule that I was given. I guess on the meetings in the NR were for not because the schedule was approved before the meetings even started last Tuesday. GIR is still listed on the schedule but I would really say very tentative right now.

2011 MiDiv Schedule
Apr 2-3 - HMRC R/N/IT
Apr 16-17 - MAM S/S/R/R/E
May 30-1 - HPT R/N/IT
May 21-22 - GIR R/N/IT
Jun 4-5 - MAM R/N/IT
Jul 2-3 - HMRC R/N/IT
Jul 16-17 - HPT R/N/IT
Jul 30-31 - GIR R/N/IT
Aug 20-21 - MAM R/N/IT
Oct 15-16 - MPH R/R
 
St. Louis is just like Memphis last year, on the schedule but probably doubtful as long as Dover owns it.
 
Well because of the reason stated above it probablyt won't matter but THANKS MIDIV FOR SCHEDULING ST. LOUIS ON THE SAME WEEK AS ROAD ATLANTA. I realize it's not your fault those of us in Memphis, the southeast corner of the division, lost our home track (and proibably St. Louis, the next nearest track) which means the nearest track is Hallett (500 miles) but now you schedule St. Lousi on the same weekend as Atlanta, our closest active track. Getting in-division races already means traveling long distances (500, 600, 700 miles - assuming no St. Louis ) and now the chance of getting 2 races in at reasonable distances is gone if St. Louis does happen.
 
I'm not sure what MidDiv is thinking. No doubles and scheduling races that are 90% sure not to happen. I think I'll be using some of my limited budget and towing the 550 mi to High Plains for a double.
 
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