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Really, a 40 minute qual session is a waste of time. Why not do a 15 min practice first, then a 20 min qual session, then the races. Makes much more sense to me. But what do I know..... I think 30 min at the runoffs is a waste as well.
 
Jesse Prather":35o1z8wg said:
Really, a 40 minute qual session is a waste of time. Why not do a 15 min practice first, then a 20 min qual session, then the races. Makes much more sense to me. But what do I know..... I think 30 min at the runoffs is a waste as well.
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FWIW, a double National needs 70 minutes of practice/qualifying time over the course of the event. However, how that is split up is completely up to the organizers. I'd personally prefer to see a 20 pract and 20 qual if you could squeeze it in. I'm certainly not going to go burn my good qualifying/race tires for 40 minutes. I suspect you may end up with a lot of empty track at the end of the sessions.
 
Based on the current number of people signed up I think we will all have a lot of open track. I am hoping the entries pick up as the date gets closer.

I guess my only advantage is a little track knowledge.....LOL

I think Randy Wagner has been to all of the SCCA races held at the track.
 
Curiosity question - as drivers, would you be willing to spend a session on a corner if your car breaks and is parked safely there? Without a doubt, the biggest challenge in scheduling a race day is the amount of time it takes a to get cars off the course. Many times, seamless sessions could be done - where one group is coming off the track as the second group is being fed onto the track - if there's no pickups to be done. This used to be done somewhat at the RunOffs where there was 5 mins between odd/even groups and 15 mins between even/odd groups. (I haven't been able to attend the RunOffs since they moved to Road America, so I don't know if this practice is still being done.)

Flaggers can get very creative at "tucking" cars - if it helps to stay on schedule and the drivers are cooperative. By saving the between session time, you can probably get your two sessions without adding dramatically to the length of the day .

Just my thoughts,
Kelley Huxtable
"PLAY SAFE"
DMVR
 
I'm with Eric on this one.

If we could get a 20 min practice, I could get a general idea of how the track is laid out - possibly make adjustments before Quali.

As is, I need a crew to make changes, or need to get out and make my own changes in pit lane, during my only time on the track before the race.

Not that I'm complaining - looking forward to finally getting out there.

My buddies that run BMW club love the track.
 
Kelley, if I have two sessions before the race, then sure.

With just one, no that's really awful.
 
Bill ...

My thoughts were as a way to facilitate two sessions instead of the one 40 min session.

Kelley

PS - We'll see you there.
 
All the GCR cares about is the posted time. How the stewards decide to get the cars on and off the track is a nother matter.

Mike Engelke
 
Kelley - awesome thanks for listening.

I'd say it's looking really good for me to make the event, but I don't say such things any more.
 
As of this morning their are 35 entries over all.

Race Group 1 8 entries
# Name Class
3 Albin, Chris H Production
7 Prill, Eric F Production
17 Rishel, James Spec Racer Ford
25 Laughlin, Brian Street Touring U
33 Orr, Terry GT-Lite
35 Wiese, Richard Spec Racer Ford
86 Wagner, Randy F Production
93 Leiferman, Ron F Production

Race Group 2 7 entries
# Name Class
00 Herman, Robert GT-3
6 Clark, Charlie E Production
08 Brakke, Mark E Production
34 Prather, Jesse E Production
50 mcginley, mike Touring 1
55 Stevens, Chris GT-1
75 Slinkard, John STO

Race Group 3 2 entries
Class Totals: American Sedan: 1, Spec Miata: 1 <---- Only 1 SM, that surprises me.

Race Group 4 1 entries
Class Totals: Formula Continental: 1

Race Group 5 14 entries
Class Totals: IT7: 4, ITE: 2, ITA: 6, ITB: 2

Race Group 6 3 entries
Class Totals: Formula Vee: 3

I am wondering if group 4 and 6 will/can be combined?
 
Bill Wessel is in for Saturday but not Sunday. Here's the updated e-list. Anyone else planning on attending? Weather has been mid 80s so that will be a welcome relief from some of the heat we've been dealing with.

Race Group 1 11 ENTRIES
# Name Class Year Make Sponsor Hometown
3 Albin, Chris H Production 1985 Volkswagen GTI/Golf Hoosier,247-parts.com,AMT engines Maryland Heights, MO
7 Prill, Eric F Production 1990 Mazda Miata Jesse Prather Mtspts/Hoosier/OS Giken Topeka, KS
14 Asay, Tad H Production 1965 Austin Sprite Ames, IA
17 Rishel, James Spec Racer Ford SCCA Enterprises SRF ADR?\/ Garage 1919 Wichita, KS
25 Laughlin, Brian Street Touring U 1992 Mazda Miata Tulsa Radiology Associates/Mazda/Hoosier/Don Reynolds/BrianLaughlinRacing.com Tulsa, OK
33 Orr, Terry GT-Lite 1964 Mini Orr Autosport/Seven enterprises Savage, MN
35 Wiese, Richard Spec Racer Ford SCCA Enterprises Spec Racer Ford Chesterfield, MO
47 Wessel, Bill F Production 1965 Nissan SPL311 Nissan, Goodyear Madison, WI
48 Oehlerking, Tim Street Touring U 1993 Honda del Sol Lael's Import Performance Lincoln, NE
86 Wagner, Randy F Production 1990 Mazda Miata Mazdaspeed, Goodyear Tulsa, OK
93 Leiferman, Ron F Production 1977 BMW 320i Hoosier, Hawk Brakes Sioux Falls, SD
Class Totals: GT-Lite: 1, F Production: 4, H Production: 2, Spec Racer Ford: 2, Street Touring U: 2

Race Group 2 9 ENTRIES
# Name Class Year Make Sponsor Hometown
00 Herman, Robert GT-3 1993 Mazda RX7 Herman Plbg / Kim's Auto Repair Serv Cairo, NE
6 Clark, Charlie E Production 1985 Mazda RX7 KC RACEWARE & AMSOIL ROELAND PARK, KS
08 Brakke, Mark E Production 1999 Mazda Miata Mark Brakke Coon Rapids, MN
34 Prather, Jesse E Production 2010 Mazda MX5 Jesse Prather Motorsports / Mazdaspeed Motorsports / Carbotech / Hoosier Tire Topeka, KS
50 mcginley, mike Touring 1 2008 Chevrolet corvette superior chevrolet Overland Park, KS
55 Stevens, Chris GT-1 1965 Shelby Cobra Terra/Sol Games
60 Giordano, Tony GT-2 1970 Nissan 280 Z Overland Park, KS
75 Slinkard, John STO 2002 Honda s2000 Alternative Car Care Repair, Hoosier Tires, Sublime speed tech, Action signs Omaha, NE
83 Miller, Matthew STO 2004 Dodge Viper Stefani Shawnee Mission, KS
Class Totals: GT-1: 1, GT-2: 1, GT-3: 1, E Production: 3, Touring 1: 1, STO: 2
 
EPrill":1lwsbdor said:
Interesting schedule. Not sure I see the benefit in a 40-minute qualifier to open the weekend--particularly on a track that most national drivers have not seen. I'd much rather have two shorter sessions, maybe one of them even being a practice to learn where the place goes.

I realize the schedule isn't made for my edification, but do any of the drivers see much benefit to this rather than two shorter sessions like every other two-day double national I've ever been to?
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At our DN's, we combined the practice sessions for both races together so that each race groiup would get a 20 minute practice, a 25 minute qualifying for race 1, race 1, a 25 minute qualifying for race 2 and race 2 in that order. This was done so that if you broke in race 1, you weren't on the hook for race 2. This met the 70 minute GCR requirement.

Dayle
 
It's also looking like groups 3 and 4 can be moved into other groups which makes for even more available time to split the qualifying session up for practice. :think:
 
Jesse Prather":v1gupl72 said:
It's also looking like groups 3 and 4 can be moved into other groups which makes for even more available time to split the qualifying session up for practice. :think:
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I have been talking with the people from the NR about doing just that.

I would think moving the SM to Group 1 and the AS to Group 2 is do able. Then combining group 4 with group 6 should work. Only issue would be car numbers. SM #3 and HP #3 are the only cross overs so far. Not sure if there are any GCR or operational issues with combining the two formula groups.
 
RonInSD":33u42z2m said:
Jesse Prather":33u42z2m said:
It's also looking like groups 3 and 4 can be moved into other groups which makes for even more available time to split the qualifying session up for practice. :think:
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I have been talking with the people from the NR about doing just that.

I would think moving the SM to Group 1 and the AS to Group 2 is do able. Then combining group 4 with group 6 should work. Only issue would be car numbers. SM #3 and HP #3 are the only cross overs so far. Not sure if there are any GCR or operational issues with combining the two formula groups.
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Why do we need to combine groups? There already seems to be a very workable number of race groups.

Would we be adding a session with the new found time in the schedule? I would only be in favor of adding more classes to my group if it meant a better schedule.
 
EPrill":bfaa4q8j said:
RonInSD":bfaa4q8j said:
Jesse Prather":bfaa4q8j said:
It's also looking like groups 3 and 4 can be moved into other groups which makes for even more available time to split the qualifying session up for practice. :think:
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I have been talking with the people from the NR about doing just that.

I would think moving the SM to Group 1 and the AS to Group 2 is do able. Then combining group 4 with group 6 should work. Only issue would be car numbers. SM #3 and HP #3 are the only cross overs so far. Not sure if there are any GCR or operational issues with combining the two formula groups.
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Why do we need to combine groups? There already seems to be a very workable number of race groups.

Would we be adding a session with the new found time in the schedule? I would only be in favor of adding more classes to my group if it meant a better schedule.
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Group 3 only has 3 registered. Group 4 only has 1 registered so far. The other groups are looking ok car count wise. Group 6 is the smallest at 7 entries.

Eric,

What would you like to see as a schedule, the more normal 15-20 minute practice followed by 20-25 minutes qualifying session? If we combine group 3 and 4 that will free up the time to allow for bringing in disabled cars after each run group. Even combining 4 with 6 should give enough time to split the schedule up.
 
blamkin86":1iigjsbs said:
Just signed up this morning... still need to pay so my entry hasn't shown up online.
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Just checked the list and you are now listed.

Saturday 56 entries

Race Group 1 12 entries
# Name Class Year Make Sponsor Hometown
01 Istook, Don Street Touring U 2007 Volkswagen GTI REVO TECHNIK Fort Worth, TX
3 Albin, Chris H Production 1985 Volkswagen GTI/Golf Hoosier,247-parts.com,AMT engines Maryland Heights, MO
7 Prill, Eric F Production 1990 Mazda Miata Jesse Prather Mtspts/Hoosier/OS Giken Topeka, KS
14 Asay, Tad H Production 1965 Austin Sprite Ames, IA
17 Rishel, James Spec Racer Ford SCCA Enterprises SRF ADR?\/ Garage 1919 Wichita, KS
25 Laughlin, Brian Street Touring U 1992 Mazda Miata Tulsa Radiology Associates/Mazda/Hoosier/Don Reynolds/BrianLaughlinRacing.com Tulsa, OK
33 Orr, Terry GT-Lite 1964 Mini Orr Autosport/Seven enterprises Savage, MN
35 Wiese, Richard Spec Racer Ford SCCA Enterprises Spec Racer Ford Chesterfield, MO
47 Wessel, Bill F Production 1965 Nissan SPL311 Nissan, Goodyear Madison, WI
48 Oehlerking, Tim Street Touring U 1993 Honda del Sol Lael's Import Performance Lincoln, NE
86 Wagner, Randy F Production 1990 Mazda Miata Mazdaspeed, Goodyear Tulsa, OK
93 Leiferman, Ron F Production 1977 BMW 320i Hoosier, Hawk Brakes Sioux Falls, SD

Class Totals: GT-Lite: 1, F Production: 4, H Production: 2, Spec Racer Ford: 2, Street Touring U: 3
Race Group 2 12 entries
# Name Class Year Make Sponsor Hometown
00 Herman, Robert GT-3 1993 Mazda RX7 Herman Plbg / Kim's Auto Repair Serv Cairo, NE
5 Waldbaum, Natha Touring 1 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Gregg Young Chevrolet/Vettesport/Corvette Recycling/Pfadt/Cobalt/Racepak/C&S Dyno Omaha, NE
6 Clark, Charlie E Production 1985 Mazda RX7 KC RACEWARE & AMSOIL ROELAND PARK, KS
08 Brakke, Mark E Production 1999 Mazda Miata Mark Brakke Coon Rapids, MN
23 Davis, Charles E Production Acura Integra Inpatient Physicians Associates Overland Park, KS
26 Lamkin, William E Production 1999 Mazda Miata Hoosier/MazdaSpeed Broomfield, CO
34 Prather, Jesse E Production 2010 Mazda MX5 Jesse Prather Motorsports / Mazdaspeed Motorsports / Carbotech / Hoosier Tire Topeka, KS
50 mcginley, mike Touring 1 2008 Chevrolet corvette superior chevrolet Overland Park, KS
55 Stevens, Chris GT-1 1965 Shelby Cobra Terra/Sol Games
60 Giordano, Tony GT-2 1970 Nissan 280 Z Overland Park, KS
75 Slinkard, John STO 2002 Honda s2000 Alternative Car Care Repair, Hoosier Tires, Sublime speed tech, Action signs Omaha, NE
83 Miller, Matthew STO 2004 Dodge Viper Stefani Shawnee Mission, KS

Class Totals: GT-1: 1, GT-2: 1, GT-3: 1, E Production: 5, Touring 1: 2, STO: 2
 
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