Mid States Conference TBA event

Kevin,

Each division is different. In Cendiv, we count the Cendiv half Majors towards our divisional championship, to avoid exactly what you are talking about.

Then, we give the divisional runoff spots to the highest finishing people who did not qualify by other means. So if you stay 100% in division, finish 4th or 5th, and the first 2 or 3 finishers all qualify via Majors or National points, you get the slot.

If every Division did this, it would encourage in division participation, at least for "runoffs eligible" classes.
 
kruck":2m0pe08w said:
EPrill":2m0pe08w said:
So why isn't it a priority to put a Majors there in April/May, or at least change the already scheduled Memorial Day weekend SCCA Divisional to one, when it's expected to be a huge draw? I would love to run that track before its shut down, as I hear lots of great things about it, but being just a divisional basically makes it a non-starter for me. To qualify for the Majors, you have to do Divisionals OR Majors. I can't do a little of both. So as someone who plans to qualify via Majors, that makes it basically worthless to me. Plus to get contingency, it has to be a Majors as well. For me, the presence of contingencies are a big factor in what I can do in a season, so that's a big deal.

Initially, we expected the TWS event to be a Majors, but then the COTA opportunity arose...

kruck":2m0pe08w said:
After visiting COTA during this past F1 event, I can honestly say "Holy crap, what a place, I can't wait to drive it!" But if my option is mid to late August, a month before The Runoffs and when it'll easily be 100 degrees out......meh, not so much. When it was held in March in 2013, good weather was almost guaranteed, it was a great thawing escape for the northerners prior to their schedules starting, and it was the "shiny new thing", so it had a HUGE draw. Now though, no one is going to be excited about racing there in that heat, and a limited number of out of Division entries will be interested in making a long trek to it when they're in the middle of finishing their own Conference/Divisional schedules, prepping for The Runoffs, and looking at another serious trek to Daytona only a month later.

We ran COTA in March in 2013. In fact, it took the place of the traditional TWS early double National. When Lone Star moved to COTA for that weekend, it lost its TWS date. COTA did not come to fruition in 2014, so that date went away too, and has now been occupied by World Challenge on the same weekend the Majors is at NOLA. August is obviously not the preferred time frame from a weather standpoint, but the Division and Majors program believe it still has an opportunity for a good turnout. Would I prefer both as a racer and organizer for it to be earlier? Sure. But the options were very limited. Some will certainly make a decision not to go because of the Runoffs or the weather. Some may prefer to go there than the Runoffs! Every decision doesn't work for every person.

Overall, scheduling the Mid-States Conference has been a challenge. More so than other Conferences. The population is relatively small and the land mass is very large in comparison to other conferences. Something happening 700-1000 miles away from a Region actually has an effect on its racing program. That's a new concept for most Regions.

Regarding the schedule on scca.com. That's loaded into the system once it's submitted to the office. If something is not on there, it's because it hasn't yet been submitted or its on hold for some reason.
 
kruck":1dccw4wa said:
If there was some way I could run like two Majors and 2-3 Divisionals, and get qualified for the Runoffs, then I'd probably bring my car down here and do that.

This is the way it turns out for many in the Midwest division, unfortunately. Too many events too far away.
 
That makes a tough decision. I'm planning on Hallet and Kansas Speedway then trying to figure out which races I want to suffer heat stroke at. I can skip HPR (98 miles from home) and go camping and run Pueblo and COTA. I can run HPR and skip Pueblo (136 miles from home) and go to COTA. Or I can run HPR and Pueblo and skip COTA (952 miles from home). Problem, I'd like to race at COTA.

Really I have no reason to go to COTA at the end of August as I can have 4 Majors done and I think most others will be in the same boat. Nice track and facility, but maybe wait for another year when it's early in the season.

Smart thing is to skip COTA as the round trip is about the distance to Daytona (1871 miles from home,depending on which way I go Nashville-Atlanta route or Memphis, Birmingham, Tallahasse route)
 
Also, it's hard to complain if you live in the Denver area. Two races within 100 miles so to get 3 races in you have to go 587 miles to Kansas Speedway or 658 to Hallett.

For me, door to door to get qualified with 3 Majors weekends it's 1714 miles total. For some guys thats round trip for one weekend.
 
FP Racer":1vhwz0bi said:
NOLA counts in our Conference for Divisional points so just leave your car with Fowler and do the Atlanta races, a Majors and a Divisional and the Daytona Divisional plus the NOLA and you're all set. There is also a Double SARRC scheduled at Daytona on the 1st weekend of August that you can run for practice. You would need to change Region of record to SEDiv region.
I know it's contrary to the typical belief nowadays, but I've never paid to have my car prepped, developed, stored, or transported, and although I've always really liked Tom and the guys at OPM, that won't be changing. :lol:

Through the work of guys like you and Butch, the possible ways to get Runoffs qualified in the SEDiv are varied and well publicized. Here though in the SowDiv, neither is the case. The SCCA website says participate in four eligible weekends and finish in the top three of your Divisional Championship, and you'll earn an invitation. However, the SowDiv only has four "eligible weekends" remaining on the schedule between now and mid-August, so you better not have any problems or scheduling conflicts. Unfortunately, unlike the SEDiv and CenDiv where some Majors can count towards your Divisional Championship, the SowDiv specifically disallows it: "SWRRC points are separate and distinct from any SCCA Majors that a driver may earn. Majors will not be considered in the SWRRC." Plus like I said earlier, no contingencies available at the Divisionals, and that's a big deal for me.

I know for sure that I can get in by running three Majors weekends, regardless of where they are, so that's what's gonna happen. (Also need to finish at least three races and be in the top half of national points.) It's really too bad, as the four remaining SWRRC races are all within 3-3.5 hours of my house, yet the closest Majors is nearly 9.

EPrill":1vhwz0bi said:
August is obviously not the preferred time frame from a weather standpoint, but the Division and Majors program believe it still has an opportunity for a good turnout. Would I prefer both as a racer and organizer for it to be earlier? Sure. But the options were very limited. Some will certainly make a decision not to go because of the Runoffs or the weather. Some may prefer to go there than the Runoffs! Every decision doesn't work for every person.
Is there no reason to believe that a February-May'ish weekend at COTA won't become available in the forseeable future, like this August one has? It worries me to lock ourselves into a weekend that makes such little sense other than "Well, it'll draw some entries." It's COTA, that will always be the case, at all times, but why take up a weekend that will seriously handcuff itself from the get-go? Why not hold out for a weekend that better fits our needs in future seasons, especially when you already have an alternative event sitting there that will close out a long-standing venue? Heck, I'd even entertain the idea of a October-November time-frame 2016 Majors event at COTA.

kruck":1vhwz0bi said:
...no one is going to be excited about racing there in that heat, and a limited number of out of Division entries will be interested in making a long trek to it when they're in the middle of finishing their own Conference/Divisional schedules, prepping for The Runoffs, and looking at another serious trek to Daytona only a month later.
I forgot to add the double Divisional at Daytona August 8-9th, as it'll also effect an August event at COTA.


Just trying to offer a constructive opinion for the betterment of the club, nothing personal to anyone, and not gonna throw a hissy fit with whatever we end up with. I trust that whatever we end up, with decision makers believed it was the best option available upon considering them all.
 
blamkin86":2f1uculh said:
This is the way it turns out for many in the Midwest division, unfortunately. Too many events too far away.

Couldn't agree more and why I am planning on only 2 events this year (Hallett and COTA).

Topeka ever give any thought to redrawing the map to 5 or 6 divisions? The Midwest is always going to be a problem the way it's structured now.
 
markb":164nsg91 said:
blamkin86":164nsg91 said:
This is the way it turns out for many in the Midwest division, unfortunately. Too many events too far away.

Couldn't agree more and why I am planning on only 2 events this year (Hallett and COTA).

Topeka ever give any thought to redrawing the map to 5 or 6 divisions? The Midwest is always going to be a problem the way it's structured now.

What do you mean? I'm sure racers will be happy to drive from Montana to Austin for a race... In August.. :D

Part of the problem (as I see it) is lack of tracks and lack of attendees. There's a ton of tracks around here, but when each event barely draws 100 cars and is lucky to break even at $475 entry for a Double Divisional, there doesn't make much sense to cut up the area and dilute that pool any more.
However, if OK/AR/TX/LA area were one division and everything north of OK was another, and each got a couple of Majors events (planned and scheduled properly), we might have more people showing up to all of them. but until you try it, you're not going to see.

Then again, look at how many clubs are out there. SCCA, NASA, PCA, BMWCCA, CVAR, COMMA, FARA (both regional series)... How many others do sprint races? LeMons, Chump, WRL, etc for endurance racing.. pretty easy see how the market is diluted with events at all of these same tracks where SCCA is trying to attract people to race.

As for the future, I would love to see COTA in April or May. However *this year*, we're stuck with what's left because it's January and we're still scrambling to finish the schedule instead of being planned 1-2 years in advance like other clubs. As Eric mentioned above, SCCA 'gave up' their TWS date in 2013 to go to COTA. We gave up the COTA date in 2014 and went to NOLA. Both of those dates have been sucked up by others, so it's going to be hard to get that one back unless someone else cancels and event and they let us move in..

Make a plan, stick to it. otherwise you're going to be standing there watching the others play while you try to make a decision. ;)
 
markb":aklfzzr2 said:
Topeka ever give any thought to redrawing the map to 5 or 6 divisions? The Midwest is always going to be a problem the way it's structured now.

Please note that the Eastern Conference was split into two section this year. This makes five conferences. We now have Northeastern and Southeastern Conferences. This alleviated the hassle of a FL driver schlepping to NY or vice versa. With the crossover events in the border areas, the total number of races is almost the same as last year (26 in 2015, 25 in 2014).

Mid-States Conference has the tracks and drivers but they're spread out across a HUGE area.....just like the Western Conference. It'll take the cooperation of the tracks and they don't care too much about the SCCA (as Rogerson points out). the bottom line for them is $$$ and that's a tough place for the regions to have to play these days.

Dayle
 
I was told RMDiv had 130 drivers turn a wheel last year at our events. Total. Not all at one event. Thats New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming and Montana. The only way we can get 100 cars is a well timed Majors.
 
Three majors near colorado: Kansas Speedway, High Plains, and Pueblo. All three races in the span of five weekends, in the heat of summer. And, you'll also have to give up July 4th with your family. If you have a mechanical, Colorado region didn't give a refund for Sunday.

As a local jackass Colorado Region official told me last year: You're not committed to club racing!
 
Almost ZERO chance of COTA event early in the year. They are booked years in advance through end of May. We would have had done a multi year deal with them two years ago. All the HPDE folks have them locked up. However, those groups are losing participation as the track rental continues to rise and individual entry fees rise as well.

James -r
 
Bill
The way that the 2014 Majors was structured was that it was a single sanction weekend and once you turned a wheel on the track during the sanction, the entire entry fee became nonrefundable :-[... . It sucks but, I believe, that came from Topeka. Regions gave up a lot of control of the event for a Majors.
 
No refunds:
HPR: No refunds once the car is on the racing surface: http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/ass ... -supps.pdf

Refunds:
NOLA majors: $200 refund. http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/ass ... _Supps.pdf
Eagles Canyon: $170 refund. http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/ass ... _Supps.pdf
Pueblo: $100 refund. http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/ass ... -supps.pdf

No mention in supps. I bet both give refunds, but there's no evidence either way.
HPT: No mention in sups either way. http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/ass ... -supps.pdf
Hallet: No mention in sups either way. http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/ass ... _supps.pdf

Pretty clearly not an SCCA mandate. Enjoy your racing season.
 
Bob, now that I think of it, I bet a Colorado Region official told you that the SCCA mandated no refunds. That wouldn't surprise me one bit.
 
Hmmmmm - and I wrote the Pueblo Supps. Guess I was reacting to the uproar from one of the earlier events. The lead time on Supps is about two months - two weeks for Exec Steward (as was the custom in RMDiv) and six weeks at national.
Sorry about the bad info - I'm only planning one regional weekend and one Majors this year and no Supp Reg writing.
 
The National rule for majors is that the event is a one weekend event. So the sanction and insurance for your entry must be paid if you turn a wheel any day. SOWDiv decided to give refunds at a less than full entry rate. By rule we don't have to.

James -r
 
Folks-
The COTA discussions fell through. The Texas Majors race will be at TWS on Memorial Day weekend. Release is here: http://www.scca.com/news/index.cfm?cid=52236

Appreciate the efforts of the SW Div and Lone Star folks to make this happen. We'll try for COTA in the future.

In the meantime, TWS is a great racetrack. One of my favorites. I wish I could go, but I have another engagement that weekend.

Finale and awards will be at Pueblo.

My prelim plan is to be at Hallett, Kansas, Pueblo with Mid-Ohio and NOLA as possibilities.
 
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