January 2026 Fastrack

I see they classified the 2002 in H. Now if they had done this 25 years ago--.
When I ran my 2002 in F my times were good enough for top 5 in H. I was running mid pack in F at Mid Ohio.
I think the 2002 can be a good contender in H. The weight is a little high.
 
Gordon Jones said:
I see they classified the 2002 in H. Now if they had done this 25 years ago--.
When I ran my 2002 in F my times were good enough for top 5 in H. I was running mid pack in F at Mid Ohio.
I think the 2002 can be a good contender in H. The weight is a little high.
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I don't think "contender" is the right word - poor aero, SOHC, 2350lbs, avg. HP brakes, antiquated/limited parts availability - not seeing one good trait. The only potential savior over the 318 is MAYBE it breaths better vs. the crappy early FI intake manifold on the early E30.

All that said, I still think H is the place right now - so the more the merrier.
 
No. VW 2L have been in there for some years.

But they're still fraidy skeered of my Porsche 914 with the 90hp 2L VW bus air-cooled engine. **SO** much more car and engine than a BMW 2002, I tell ya...
 
Greg -

First, Merry Christmas!

Second, how long since you asked for the HP 2.0 914? Maybe time to try again? And get some supporting letters this time?
 
To you as well, my friend!

2023 was my last shot at it, I'm giving up on it.

The response to the first letter was "2.0L is considered too much displacement for HP".

Then they added 2L cars into HP, like a few months later.

So then I resubmitted the request and I got "The PAC would like to see these attempted [in FP first]". Against Miatas and Hondas? What are you smoking? I emailed "a prominent PAC member" about that and his reply was "...HP guys already screamed about the 2L cars coming into H and then to put a [rear wheel drive] in there would be yet another big step..." So basically, the 2L allowance in H Prod was only for front-wheel drive cars.

Yet here we are today with the BMW 2002, a rear-wheel drive car.

So why bother going through this again? What will be their next hypocritical excuse? "We don't allow orange 2L cars with a P-badge into the class"?

I'm done. No motivation to pursue it further. I run it once a year in ITEZ at the Lime Rock regional to retain my comp license and then race it elsewhere with other orgs. It's safer that way, anyway.

If anyone else wants to try it, ensure you get the 2-stage dry sump approved for LP, otherwise you're going to frag engines every session on sticky tires (DO NOT race this engine without a dry sump!) It should already be in there for the 1.8L in HP and the 2L in FP.

And here's tips on Micro/Megasquirting with the stock induction.
 
Greg Amy said:
To you as well, my friend!

2023 was my last shot at it, I'm giving up on it.

The response to the first letter was "2.0L is considered too much displacement for HP".

Then they added 2L cars into HP, like a few months later.

So then I resubmitted the request and I got "The PAC would like to see these attempted [in FP first]". Against Miatas and Hondas? What are you smoking? I emailed "a prominent PAC member" about that and his reply was "...HP guys already screamed about the 2L cars coming into H and then to put a [rear wheel drive] in there would be yet another big step..." So basically, the 2L allowance in H Prod was only for front-wheel drive cars.

Yet here we are today with the BMW 2002, a rear-wheel drive car.

So why bother going through this again? What will be their next hypocritical excuse? "We don't allow orange 2L cars with a P-badge into the class"?

I'm done. No motivation to pursue it further. I run it once a year in ITEZ at the Lime Rock regional to retain my comp license and then race it elsewhere with other orgs. It's safer that way, anyway.

If anyone else wants to try it, ensure you get the 2-stage dry sump approved for LP, otherwise you're going to frag engines every session on sticky tires (DO NOT race this engine without a dry sump!) It should already be in there for the 1.8L in HP and the 2L in FP.

And here's tips on Micro/Megasquirting with the stock induction.
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$50 says ask again and get a few letters (by known HP competitors and assorted nobodies like me) of support and they'll say yes at a slightly silly weight...

But I do understand the frustration!

PS: Why were so many 914s orange?
 
Because that's the best color, silly! Actually, I see a lot in red and black, too.

I'm not going to resubmit primarily because I'm no longer serious about it. Plus, I've already sold off all the induction pieces I had collected to build up the Limited Prep-required factory fuel injection system (it was converted to Dellorto carbs some time ago). I don't want to be "that guy" that requests a classification with no intention of doing it. But if someone else is interested I'd be delighted to assist with the request.

I did notice, however, that the FP and HP LP 914 lost the approved dry sump option when the GCR was converted over to the new table format. I need to follow up on that to see if that was in error. (edit: scratch that, it got moved to a different column). As I noted above, you DO NOT want to race this engine without a dry sump! Even with a Accusump Band-Aid it will oil starve in most racing situations on today's sticky tires.
 
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