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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:49 am 
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What is the deal with SCCA and arm restraints? Why the objection to using them in a closed cockpit car, yet they are perfectly legal on an open cockpit car?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:15 am 
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Asked the same question 15 years ago. Was told "couldn't see them" where a "net" could be seen... My point was I couldn't see out mirror or window, was much less safe with net. Not to mention getting all hooked up with a HANS on and no "crew".

Wasn't a satisfactory reason then, and remains the same...today.

Rules, no matter how well intended, yet ill conceived/executed, often remain...

like: plastic OEM gas tanks OK, when metal ones not (level 2, IT cars > prod)..... (did get that changed, took several months to clear up, season over...duh...).


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:34 am 
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Elva wrote:
Asked the same question 15 years ago. Was told "couldn't see them" where a "net" could be seen... My point was I couldn't see out mirror or window, was much less safe with net. Not to mention getting all hooked up with a HANS on and no "crew".

Wasn't a satisfactory reason then, and remains the same...today.

Rules, no matter how well intended, yet ill conceived/executed, often remain...

like: plastic OEM gas tanks OK, when metal ones not (level 2, IT cars > prod)..... (did get that changed, took several months to clear up, season over...duh...).


Okie


My car has a metal tank, its location not material that matters.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:14 pm 
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Why not have Grid personnel verify presence of arm restraints, they check harnesses (don't they?)

I've witnessed corner calls of no window net when the car has a black one with the screen that was hard to see at a distance and speed.

Presence of and proper use of safety gear should be left to Grid.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:51 am 
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They do verify arm restraints.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:28 am 
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zChris wrote:
They do verify arm restraints.



Chris is correct - helmet stickers, tech stickers, harnesses, restraints - all get checked (or should be) on grid.

I am a former open wheel driver. The irony is that I always saw drivers with their arm restraints fastened so loosely that they could raise their arms above the rollbar, which kind of defeats the purpose. I knew one driver who never tightened his belts. I guess that he didn't like feeling constrained. Again, why bother wearing belts if they aren't as tight as possible?

The CRB is in a sort-of damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't situation. On the one hand, at some point, we are each of us responsible (or should be) for our choices. On the other, the Club has to worry about litigation, even poorly-founded litigation.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:29 am 
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My car has a metal tank, its location not material that matters.


Not to beat a dead horse....much more....

The issue wasn't location, it was material. Car was first gen ITB MR2 going to FP, metal tank located between seats in tunnel, best protected location.

Rule at the time said OEM "plastic" tank ok, no mention of OEM metal... was told reason for wording: was at request of GM engr. to allow stock plastic tk. in level 2 prep, no thought of metal...wasn't requested, wasn't considered...

Topping it off, location wasn't a factor, as long as it remained: stock tank in stock location. The GM plastic tank was located at rear of vehicle, under the car, much more exposed to damage than that of the MR2....

Anyway, after lots of effort/time, got the rule "fixed", as only logical.... just took way too long. Frustrating: metal, as good as plastic; should have never been an issue....yet had to wait to request, review, rewrite, and notify the rule "change"....system didn't allow for one stop "fix" on simple issue.

Just a fact of life, now days... John Timanus never had those issues.

All others welcome to the fruit of that effort...

Your turn on those arm restraints! Go For IT, tie down those arms, drop the nets, let us all SEE and be seen!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:08 am 
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Well at least the tank rules ended up in a logical place. Thanks for helping make that happen.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:45 am 
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Agreed, thanks for getting some common sense into the rules.

Now what's up with the floor pan deal? Why do we need another rule? Anyone protesting over this one?

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