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 Post subject: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:06 am 
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Again......

Went to the local place to get some new belts. They didn't have the color I wanted, but will later in the week. He brought up that they are not putting "build dates" on the belts anymore, just expiration dates. Also they are dating them only June and December. The ones I looked at said they expired June of 2020 in big print on a 2"x2" tag.

How is this going to work with expirations now.

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:59 am 
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Time to write the CRB to get a clarification. I thought that the SFI used manufacture date, and the FIA used expiration date, but the example shows SFI with an expiration date.

ARGH

I need to get belts for next year too

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:04 am 
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Buy FIA belts... SCREW SFI!

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:31 am 
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Mazda Jon wrote:
Again......

Went to the local place to get some new belts. They didn't have the color I wanted, but will later in the week. He brought up that they are not putting "build dates" on the belts anymore, just expiration dates. Also they are dating them only June and December. The ones I looked at said they expired June of 2020 in big print on a 2"x2" tag.

How is this going to work with expirations now.

Example

https://goo.gl/images/frNckD


This is addressed in the Apr updated GCR.

Restraint systems meeting SFI 16.1 or 16.5 shall bear a dated SFI Spec label. The certification
indicated by this label shall expire on December 31st of the 5th year after the date of manufacture
as indicated by the label. If for example the manufacture date is 2014 the fifth year after the date
of manufacture is 2019. SFI labels, with expiration dates, expire on December 31st of the labeled
expiration date.

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:49 am 
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So we go from 5 year SFI belts to 2 year SFI belts?

The belts I looked at had a build date label AND an expiration label. Which do I go by? The same belts are good for 5 years and/or 2 years.

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Mazda Jon wrote:
Again......

Went to the local place to get some new belts. They didn't have the color I wanted, but will later in the week. He brought up that they are not putting "build dates" on the belts anymore, just expiration dates. Also they are dating them only June and December. The ones I looked at said they expired June of 2020 in big print on a 2"x2" tag.

How is this going to work with expirations now.

Example

https://goo.gl/images/frNckD


This is addressed in the Apr updated GCR.

Restraint systems meeting SFI 16.1 or 16.5 shall bear a dated SFI Spec label. The certification
indicated by this label shall expire on December 31st of the 5th year after the date of manufacture
as indicated by the label. If for example the manufacture date is 2014 the fifth year after the date
of manufacture is 2019. SFI labels, with expiration dates, expire on December 31st of the labeled
expiration date.

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:41 pm 
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Joe Harlan wrote:
Buy FIA belts... SCREW SFI!


^^^^^ This ^^^^^

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:38 pm 
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SFI started putting expiration dates on their belts almost immediately after SCCA updated the GCR to allow 5yrs from date of manufacture on SFI belts.

Now tell me they aren't grabbing for money.

SFI states that belts deteriorate and lose over 50% of their strength in that time, yet I've seen test data of 10 and even 20yr old FIA belts still holding strong. Not to mention the number of standard automotive seatbelts that are Ok in a street car for decades.. So it sounds to me like SFI is either lying to protect their pocketbooks, or they mandate belts to be made from an inferior material.

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
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Joe Harlan wrote:
Buy FIA belts... SCREW SFI!



This. SFI is only in it for the money.

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:11 am 
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Matt93SE wrote:
SFI started putting expiration dates on their belts almost immediately after SCCA updated the GCR to allow 5yrs from date of manufacture on SFI belts.

Now tell me they aren't grabbing for money.

SFI states that belts deteriorate and lose over 50% of their strength in that time, yet I've seen test data of 10 and even 20yr old FIA belts still holding strong. Not to mention the number of standard automotive seatbelts that are Ok in a street car for decades.. So it sounds to me like SFI is either lying to protect their pocketbooks, or they mandate belts to be made from an inferior material.


It's definitely about grubbing for money, but what they are doing is selectively using test data that show webbing strength deterioration after a few years of exposure to direct sun. This may be relevant in aircraft parked outside with plastic bubble canopies but I've yet to meet anyone who stores their open race car outside so it's irrelevant to race cars.

Twisting the truth is so much more effective (but not much more ethical) than lying!

I suspect that if you store your FIA belts by hanging them on a fence post is South Texas that they would in fact be in bad shape after 5 years!


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