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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:01 pm 
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Brett W wrote:
Cool Yer jets, its a joke. :?
Got it. A joke for you because you obviously don't know what is going on, but not for me. Keep it off the web site.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:07 pm 
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Brett W wrote:
Cool Yer jets, its a joke. :?


I found it amusing...


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:08 pm 
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I find the whole idea amusing. "My car's heavy so I need better brakes. Okay we're giving you better brakes but we have to add some weight." If in fact that's how it plays out.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:44 am 
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racingspridget wrote:
I find the whole idea amusing. "My car's heavy so I need better brakes. Okay we're giving you better brakes but we have to add some weight." If in fact that's how it plays out.


I guess, except what I heard was “my brake components are horribly unreliable under racing conditions, and my buddy pays someone to cut his pads out of a different cars shape because there are no modern race pads available for his car.” I think some weight would be appropriate, because then the guy with terrible brakes will find it a no brainer, and the guy that can make his work will give it some thought before making a change.

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racingspridget wrote:
I find the whole idea amusing. "My car's heavy so I need better brakes. Okay we're giving you better brakes but we have to add some weight." If in fact that's how it plays out.


This seems to assume that the only reason anyone wants better brakes is to get a competitive advantage. My car is not quite at minimum weight, but if it was, sure, adding say 2% weight and giving me vented rotors will certainly slow me down wrt best qualifying time. Maybe break even in overall race time.

But as Chris points out, I won't need absurdly expensive exotic brake materials, also won't toast front wheel bearings, and won't have to worry about rear ending better-braked Spridgets 2/3 of the way through a hot race. Or being rear ended by THEM as I brake sooner than they expect.

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As an aside I'm eager for the FasTrack to come out so that we can argue about what the rule says vs what it might say! :)


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:23 am 
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How is having to spend money on better brakes any different than having to spend money on better engine components? Or a better transmission.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:10 am 
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I suppose it isn't really.

One job of the rulesmakers is to keep a reasonable lid on the cost of a competitive car, while still allowing sensible modifications. Sometimes this means banning things such as carbon rotors, titanium rods or sequential gearboxes. Sometimes it means listening to competitors saying that they are spending $$ on reworking stock conrods which still break, vs allowing aftermarket rods which have gotten cheaper over the years.

There seems to perhaps be a consensus that we have reached the point where decent aftermarket brake parts are a better deal for the prod community than trying to make the OEM parts do what they weren't designed to do.

Just my $0.02.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:19 am 
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None of this is about containing costs. That’s always a bs discussion, what may contain cost for one will be a huge cost to someone else.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:50 am 
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Aaron Johnson wrote:
None of this is about containing costs. That’s always a bs discussion, what may contain cost for one will be a huge cost to someone else.

While I agree with that thought, are you more concerned about your particular goose or the gander?
Some people have perfectly fine brakes for Prod others are barely adequate. Yet others have absolutely abysmal reliability and spend a small fortune keeping factory stuff together for a race weekend.
the calipers on my RX7 are now 40 years old and the piston bores and slider pin bosses on everything you can buy are worn and/or pitted. the brakes themselves *work*, but they're not the greatest. they're merely adequate. but to keep them reliable and from tapering the pads horribly, you have to re-machine and sleeve the slider pin bores to take the slop out. that's assuming you have calipers that don't constantly leak because the piston bores and o-ring grooves are still in good shape.
I can't imagine what some of the LBCs have to deal with..

Add in OE-shape pads that are 2X the price of similar compound in a race caliper and 1/3 the size so they last 2-3 races at best. bleeding brakes after every session on track at $20/qt. etc etc etc.

The alternate solution is to fab up an adapter bracket (or buy a kit) to mount aftermarket caliper on a reasonable sized rotor and buy $100/set pads and an actively-produced caliper you can easily get rebuild parts or replace w/ new.

so the crappy braked-cars get a little faster and don't have to spend a fortune on maintaining brakes. The cars with good brakes aren't affected and don't have to spend a dime.

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