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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:27 am 
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Agreed with all the above statements. "Pro" racers should have deep enough pockets where they don't need to be subsidized by the grassroots, amateur racers.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:42 am 
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Stiner0931 wrote:
Agreed with all the above statements. "Pro" racers should have deep enough pockets where they don't need to be subsidized by the grassroots, amateur racers.


I gotta say a big +1 to this.
I dont get involved in club politics, but after being in the club for more than a few years, we club racers,(and the time trialers and solo competitors) should not be subsidizing "anything".

Any and all parts of the club that are for profit and do not directly benefit the participant membership should 1000% stand on their own or be amputated.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:06 am 
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Maybe Jason would give up a little insight?
Baring that , maybe we should all email our REs and see what we get for answers.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:22 am 
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Protech Racing wrote:
Maybe Jason would give up a little insight?
Baring that , maybe we should all email our REs and see what we get for answers.


Maybe more people should do what a few of us have done... Run for the BOD of your region and see what it actually takes to put on an event. It is expensive and a ton of work to try to turn over one dollar of profit. Track fees are a huge part of it, Sanction and insurance come next. when dollars go up entries go down and fees jump again. Any waste of the clubs resources need to be accounted for. 1.7 million dollars in pro losses over two years could reduce costs and increase participation of club level events a whole bunch. Rick clearly doesn't have a warm and fuzzy filter but he is asking some pretty solid questions.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:36 am 
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There is a great article about the Pro Racing story in the February Sportscar. It's starts on page 40.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:55 am 
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Since everyone on the forum has a director on the BOD, how about actually speaking with them? They have all been involved in any decisions on these matters. It does take a majority vote to deal with all of this. You may not like the answer, but I bet they will speak with you. Will you get every detail, no. That is why we elect them, to handle the clubs business in the best way possible.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:00 am 
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Steve Eckerich wrote:
You may not like the answer, but I bet they will speak with you. Will you get every detail, no. That is why we elect them, to handle the clubs business in the best way possible.


Well how do we "know" its the best way possible if they dont answer all the questions, and not just being done "the way we always have done it".

These matters should ALL be wide open to all club members, especially if they involve the club's monies that have come from members dues and entry fees, etc.
We should not be subsidizing elements that should be standing on their own and we have no way of knowing that is or is not happening if there is not 100% full disclosure of the clubs finances with the clubs membership. Its a "club" not a private business (but it sounds like our "club" is funding some businesses).

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Steve Eckerich wrote:
Since everyone on the forum has a director on the BOD, how about actually speaking with them? They have all been involved in any decisions on these matters. It does take a majority vote to deal with all of this. You may not like the answer, but I bet they will speak with you. Will you get every detail, no. That is why we elect them, to handle the clubs business in the best way possible.


They get elected in a popularity contest in most areas. Our director got elected on less that 400 votes total. No body really pays much attention (apathy) most members just go away when it stops being fun.

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I am on the ballot for SCCA area 4 director. I am making my notice under this topic because the financials are the reason I have decided to run and this is where I would like to keep any future conversation that might take place

Marcus Merideth is the current director and he will be hard to beat if he runs again. I hear he is very popular with the solo racers which far outnumber the road racers. So based just on that winning will be a problem plus Marcus is a nice guy. I have met and talked to Marcus a few times and emailed many times.
I like him but it goes without saying we agree on virtually nothing about how the club should be run. And let me state clearly Marcus has never lied to me about anything, The main reason is he has never said anything of substance to me in response to my direct questions to him. He just said nothing but, "we don't like the way things are and we are trying the change it".

I am sure it is not lost on anyone that this is an odd place to start, what with the question being, will I get kicked out of SCCA before the election even takes place. It's clear that Lee Hill and several contributors to this website would like to see that happen. But I am encouraged that more people have expressed agreement with my position if not with my approach. But in my defense, I have written, e-mailed, gone to national conventions and talked to directors in person since 1984 [ starting with KC Van Niman] and in the last 4 years the club has lost over 3 million dollars and no one will tell the membership what happened to it. So it's clear I have been wasting my time and their's with just talking to BOD members about it..

Whatever happens with Lees' efforts to get me out of the club, I Intend to make all the correspondence [charges] from the club to me and my responses [defense] public on this form. I will expect a fair hearing but in all my years in SCCA I have never won one, so I am realistic about it.

Below are the regions in area 4. I hope to go the some of the monthly meetings to pitch my cause with the hope some people will vote for me.

Central Kentucky Region (#74)
Cincinnati Region (#70)
Columbus Sports Car Club (#64)
Detroit Region (#10)
Fort Wayne Region (#85)
Indiana Northwest Region (#75)
Indianapolis Region (#13)
Kentucky Region (#17)
Neohio Region (#24)
Northern Ohio Valley Region (#89)
Northwestern Ohio Region (#28)
Ohio Valley Region (#29)
River Cities Region (#51)
Saginaw Valley Region (#100)
South Bend Region (#35)
Southern Indiana Region (#36)
Southern West Virginia Region (#47)
West Kentucky Region (#116)
Western Michigan Region (#6)
Western Ohio Region (#86)



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:03 pm 
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Rick, I wish I belonged to one those regions because I would certainly vote for you. A good friend of mine, Robin Langlotz, ran for and was elected Director for Area 3. Maybe you might give him a call. He would certainly give you a full education on what it's really like on the BOD. He's in Florida. And he was on the BOD when all the problems we have now started. I'm sure he'd share info with you.

Good luck on your bid. Contact every racer you know and have them and all their crew guys/gals vote for you. Then, contact all the workers and explain to them why you want to be on the BOD. They'll vote for you.

Send out emails and explain your history with SCCA and why you want to represent your area. Tell them just what you've told us.

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